This is just too pretty. I know it´s old, but it´s sooo pretty.
fuck, so cute I can’t stand it… *tears at own hair…*
This never gets old.
Nerd HQ OMFG… I’ll never not reblognthos cause damn…
Never. Gets. Old
Agree with all of above.
Here’s an idea: Odin gave the muzzle and chains to Thor along with the Tesseract container and told his son to use all three. Odin may well know that Loki was being controlled/was trying to scam Thanos but, hating Loki as he always did (for Odin knew Loki was really the son of the man who had cost the Allfather his eye, and took and raised that child so that he would someday execute a terrible vengeance upon Laufey and Jotunheim), Odin wanted to make sure that Thor and the mortals would want to punish Loki. Giving Loki an opportunity to explain himself would vindicate him, so Odin made sure that didn’t happen. this doesn’t explain why Loki still wouldn’t tell Frigga about Thanos, though….
I always wondered about that penultimate scene of Marvel’s The Avengers, when the team arrives with the Tesseract to send Thor and Loki back to Asgard.
Loki is wearing a muzzle.
The film does not explain this.
We’ve now had a sequel and a season of Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and I think it’s time to reconsider the muzzle.
Where did it come from?
It doesn’t appear to be of Asgardian construction. The Asgardian Collar seen in the “Yes Men” episode of Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a much more graceful device.
It’s not standard police equipment anywhere in the United States, nor is it usual to muzzle prisoners of war, so it was either something S.H.I.E.L.D. kept around ,just in case, for “those people who can’t be matched”, or it was made by Tony. Since it appears crude for Tony’s standards, I’m going with S.H.I.E.L.D. Also, I give Tony too much credit to cooperate in putting a muzzle on anyone - at least without a damn good reason.
Why muzzle Loki?
There’s no indication of the amount of time that passed between, “If it’s all the same to you, I’ll have that drink now,” and the scenes in Central Park. One would think that inquiring minds would have tried to solicit information of various sorts from Loki in the meantime. What compelling reason would there be to prevent Loki from speaking?
Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. provided a believable explanation for the Asgardian Collar to be placed on Lorelei : her voice is the source of her power to enthrall. However, there’s no evidence that Loki uses his voice for magic.
It wasn’t because of his sass, either. There are far too many other characters in The Avengers who possess the burning power of sass. Maria Hill is positively insubordinate, and her commanding officer didn’t even bat an eye.
It could have been intended as a throw-away reference to mythology - and the short-run Marvel comics series The Trials of Loki -in which Loki’s lips were sewn shut.
The only valid in-universe explanation I can think of it that it could have been a precaution to prevent Loki from trying to persuade anyone to help him escape. I think that’s a stretch, but at least it makes sense.
Objectively, it prevents the Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. from finding out about Thanos before the MCU is good and ready.
From a meta standpoint, there’s a connection between Loki being muzzled in the Avengers, and his family’s disinterest in what happened to him after he fell from the Bifrost. In The Avengers, the muzzle prevented Loki from explaining his actions. In TDW, no one wanted to hear Loki’s explanation. Odin presumed Loki’s motivation for attacking Midgard, while Thor and Frigga weren’t even curious. Again, the MCU doesn’t want to spoil the big reveal about Thanos, but it doesn’t make sense that the ruling family of Asgard wouldn’t make an attempt to find out about that scepter, maybe decide that it belongs in Odin’s Treasury with the Infinity Gauntler? But then, someone might realize that it looked to be powered by something that looks like the Mind Gem missing from the Infinity Gauntlet…which would bring up a number of issues that MCU writers might conceivably wish to avoid at this point.
(The bolded bit almost made me cry. I hope ur happy ;_;)
Maybe Thanos himself (or, yanno, the Other) is responsible for that.
Think about it. Loki spear-touched at least one Shield agent that we know of other than Clint, and we never learn what happened to him. As we know that the spear was never destroyed or de-powered, then it follows that the mind-control was never broken.
If we accept that Thanos controlled Loki who in turn controlled his blue-eyed minions, then it’s possibly that now that Loki is out of the loop (thank you, Hulk!) the reins, so to speak, would fall onto the guy higher in the hivemind hierarchy: Thanos (or the Other).
Knowing that Loki would have sung like a canary, Thanos could easily have ordered the leftover mind-controlled minion(s) to a) pretend the mind control was over and either b1) talk shit to mislead Shield into thinking Loki’s power is in his voice (personally I think this is tough to sell) or b2) put the muzzle on themselves and fake orders from up high.
When you consider also the percentage of Shield agents that were also Hydra… Well, what is the chance that the one Loki initially mind-controlled was Hydra? And if one Hydra Shield agent wants something, maybe he can get the higher ups who are also Hydra to actually write the order to muzzle Loki.
I’m gonna go with this because otherwise there’s literally no explanation for the muzzle.
There’s one clever moment in Jim Starlin’s otherwise turgid and boring graphic novel about Thanos engineering the end of the Universe where Odin tries to pull rank on Akhenaten and the Egyptian pharoah is like, “you guys gods? You must be kidding. No-one was even living in Europe except stone age tribesmen the entire time we built Egypt and civilization.” And then of course, this being a comic book, they promptly blast each other……
Part of me feels like I owe you guys an explanation as to why all these Egyptian-related posts have been on here the past few days. So… here we go.
I’m coming to realize that despite my love for the Norse gods, my love for the Egyptian ones (that were there first, actually,…
I disagree. I predict that eventually it will be revealed that every appearance of Loki in the Avengers (except for that last line I think I’ll have that drink now) was just a show Loki put on for Thanos.
I swear, if it isn’t revealed that Loki was brainwashed in the avengers I will flip a table.
Because his eyes are green in both Thor movies, and blue in the Avengers until AFTER Hulk beats him up.
And especially towards the end of the flashback, he looks scared and…
The eye-color thing is a matter of lighting, he doesn’t have the same eye effect as his own victims. But everything else you’ve said is dead-on. Blue eyes or no, he sure acts insane, and this fact is remarked upon by more than one person in the film (including Thor). His speeches do sound rehearsed, his plots are half-assedly thought out and his overall behavior is extremely erratic. This is, of course, due more to bad writing than anything else, but in-universe it really does seem the most logical conclusion that he’s been seriously head-fucked. (Especially given that head-fucking seems to be the M.O. of the ultimate bad guys in the Avengers, and the fact that, as you pointed out here, he seems much more “himself” again in the next film.)
"Loki’s mind is far afield." "Bag of cats" Etc.
I honestly am fond of the writing in the movie, but to each their own.
A lot of it is very good, and many of the characters are handled deftly. Bruce Banner especially stands out in that regard. Unfortunately, Loki is not handled very well in the film, instead ham-fisted into a role he doesn’t otherwise suit at all. They molded him into the role, not the role around him. Again, in-universe that could be very well explained as someone else pressing him into that role, through a combination of bribery, threats, and mental ‘suggestion’. Wouldn’t have been difficult, considering the state he was in when he fell into space.
Potentially inflammatory question: did you happen to notice how Hydra's mission statement (humanity cannot be trusted with its own freedom) was rather similar to Loki's when he was invading Midgard?
Well, let’s say that Loki’s Stuttgart spiel was insanely alike the totalitarian garbage (sorry for judging you, History.) we wee Europeans had to cope during WWII. Which is hardly a mystery, since the Nazi parallel was totes intended, as we well know.
As for H.Y.D.R.A., well, there isn’t much astonishment on this side of the keyboard concerning their likeliness with the Nazis, and I’m not saying it (only) because of the whole Rot Schäden business.That is an element pretty much every dictatorship or dictatorship-approaching element more or less incorporates, if it doesn’t actually proclaim such slogans, and both Loki as well as Hydra were styled precisely to encorporate such elements.
In writing “totalitarian”, I had in mind the simplest definition of a one-party regime governing persons’ thoughts and actions; and of course we have to remember Coulson’s “Asgardian Mussolini” line in the pilot episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which I really don’t find half as scandalous as I’ve seen people do. But here are the fundamental notions of fascism:
- nationalism and imperialism
- the cult of the leader
- centralism of the State
- propaganda and indoctrination
I’d argue that however brief Loki’s speech was, it clearly expressed more than what a regular dictatorship would require, which is to control people in their actions, as our wannabe dictator went a bit further into ideology; people are to be told how to think as well, which would be characteristic of totalitarianism.
At least part of that speech could be viewed as Loki talking about himself once again. If there is one person present there who’s life’s joy got diminished in a mad scramble for power and identity, it’s him; not to mention the self-worth issues.
I wonder if that was intended that way, or that scenes like the one with Natasha and the discussion about Jane in the ship are making me read to much into things.
I’d say that everything Loki ever says connects to his
twistedtormented psyche anyhow, as everything he does relates to the emotional chasm that may propel him to do anything without thinking of consequences. After all, didn’t Thor himself remark that he would “take the world as a recompense for [his] imagined slight”. And he is only wrong about the imaginary part,.
I tend to think that his speech to Fury upon arriving via transdimentional portal was much more personal to Loki than the Stuttgart Spiel™, which was, officially so if I’m not mistaken, explicitly meant to call certain bits of recent world history to mind. Germany was elected because of the Nazi connotations, obvious and rapid to make (a crucial point when your film forbids long inner debates on the concept of freedom), a museum was selected as a location probably because it was a bit fancy to have that character straight out of a myth wreaking havoc in the middle of historic artefacts, and the parallel is completed with the courageous intervention of that one old man in the crowd who refuses to kneel—a voice of truth and grace in front and in spite of the totalitarian showmanship…
So, if Loki’s really talking about himself in here, it’s mostly, if not totally, subconscious. Which, I’ll grant you that quite willingly, wouldn’t be the first time, the guy is about as gifted for introspection as a teapot.