No, see, this is what people forget. Loki WAS the rightful king. Thor was fuckin BANISHED, ya hear me? Odin cast him the FUCK out! So when Odin couldn’t be king anymore, it obviously fell to his other son, Loki. And he gets all this bullshit about how he didn’t deserve to be king. The fucker was the RIGHTFUL KING OF ASGARD. Frost Giant or no, deceitful bastard or not, he fuckin deserved that crown. And he didn’t want it, he said he didn’t at the end of the damn movie. He just wanted to make his father proud, by showing him he could be just as good as Thor, if not better. Showing him he could be a true leader. But he was betrayed by the people who were supposed to trust and obey him. Because no one, NO ONE wanted Loki to be king, because no one thought he could do the damn job. Because he fucking wasn’t Thor.
And you wonder why he wanted Thor dead, after all that? The man he could never live up to, even though he was already better, wiser, stronger, and more level-headed than him? But according to everyone, Thor was better.
Fuuuuuck that. Loki should have been king until Odin woke up. Loki knew what he was doing, and it was the fact that people kept repeatedly fucking him over because they didn’t think he was able to do anything that led him to use drastic measures. He just wanted to be Thor’s fuckin equal.
Well said! Thank you. This is exactly what I have said, in the past, and I will continue to say it. He was treated so wrongly!
Hell, Thor even said it. Thor told Odin (Loki) that his brother deserved to wear the crown more than he did.
Loki deserved that crown not because he was wise or level-headed, but because he was second in line after Thor. That is the only reason he received the crown as he did.
Also, might I point out that a worthy king would not allow the frost giants into Asgard out of jealousy. Nor would a worthy king lie to the true heir about his father’s death, kill the heir, and try to destroy an entire realm.
A true king, no matter what betrayals he might face, would keep a level head. Nothing Loki did displays a level head or the actions of a true, worthy king deserving of the throne.
Funny thing about a hereditary monarchy: being next in line is really all it takes to be rightfully king. Personal virtue doesn’t enter into it. Sometimes I think that American writers just don’t understand how monarchies work, and unconsciously have everybody act as though they’re in a free republic and get a say on who’s in charge depending on how much they like him.
And for that matter, on how monarchies work when it comes to questions of treason and betrayal. Hey, do you realize that as of the latest movie: Heimdall has committed treason three times, the W4 three times, and Thor* twice? That’s right, every single one of them has committed more treason than Loki has, and yet seem to be remarkably unbothered by any kind of consequences. (*Thor being the exception; his banishment could be regarded as punishment for his first breach of the Jotunheim edict. It certainly didn’t seem to be for the death of the frost giants, since ‘murder’ and ‘kill’ never appear in Odin’s banishment speech.) Three times in two movies. Wow. That’s like, a 150% treason rate per movie. But then again, most of these acts of treason were made in response to Loki’s first act of treason; and it’s okay for heroes to do villainous things as long as the villain does them first, right? Since they had proof of Loki’s treason, they couldn’t have not acted…
They did have proof of Loki’s treason when they acted, right?
One can follow the logic, of course: the Frost Giants got in through magical transportation, and as Loki is the only one in the Nine Realms capable of magical transporta — hang on. At this point in the movie, they don’t even know that Loki can walk the secret paths. That was a secret; nobody knew. Even Heimdall didn’t know, and magical methods of transportation are his job. The entire ‘logic’ behind their targeting of Loki as the culprit goes as follows:
1) The Frost Giants got in through some means we don’t understand.
2) Hey, Loki is also capable of things we also don’t understand.
3) Loki must have done it!
That is actually a stunningly classic illustration of argument from ignorance. Hey, we don’t know that Loki didn’t do it, therefore he might have. And even though he’s been our friend for years and just saved our butts twice in quick succession, he doesn’t fall down and worship the ground Thor walks on, therefore he must be evil.
There was always Laufey’s “The house of Odin is full of traitors” clue to go on, of course. Hang on, even leaving aside the question as to why they’re taking the word of their enemy king on anything in the first place, why did Laufey say that? We saw from Loki’s entrance in Laufey’s throne room the second time that Laufey didn’t know that Loki was the one who let the Frost Giants in. Laufey wasn’t coyly alluding to Loki’s identity in the first scene; he didn’t know it was him at all. So… how exactly did Laufey know that the traitor was of the house of Odin in the first place? Used in a family sense, Odin’s ‘house’ consists of exactly four people: Odin himself, Thor, Loki, and Frigga. That’s a mighty small pool of suspects to target on absolutely zero evidence. (Or maybe he’s just talking shit about Odin and Odin’s family in general, since he’s still bitter about being defeated.) Or did he mean ‘house’ in the more general sense of ‘household,’ as in, the entire palace? That kind of makes more sense, since the secret paths were inside the palace after all, but it widens the pool of suspects considerably.
The palace is full of royals and their servants, guards and warriors, ambassadors from other realms, nobles and their families, ministers and officials, any of whom for all we know could be capable of the level of magic necessary to let the Frost Giants in. Isn’t it kind of funny how through the entire sequence from Jotunheim onwards, at no point do they even consider that anyone else could be responsible? Loki is the only candidate who ever gets mentioned, and once his name is out there they basically just talk around it until they’ve come up with a rationalization that seems plausible. They have really got it in for him, haven’t they? Heimdall, at least, had something in the way of firsthand evidence: he directly witnessed Loki using the same spell that the Frost Giants had used to conceal themselves. (Since, of course, only one person in all the realms could know how to use any given spell.) Too bad he didn’t, y’know, share his evidence with anyone else so that they could use it to inform their decisions.
Of course, when watching for the first time the scene where the W3 conclude that Loki was responsible for letting the Frost Giants in, we are cheering for them to make exactly that connection: we the audience already ‘know’ that Loki is evil, and we want the characters to ‘know’ it too. But once you stop to actually consider which characters knew what at which point, it all falls apart like a badly made burger.